This is a transcript from the Launch Yourself Today podcast interview with Spencer Hurtt, a four-time competitor on American Ninja Warrior. If you’re not familiar with the show, it’s an insane obstacle course where competitors try to make it to the end and hit a buzzer without falling off.
If I heard that he was on the show four times, I would be envisioning a 20-something who spends their entire week in the gym. In fact, Spencer is 41 years old, an he’s the president of Container Supply Company. Plus, he’s married with four children. I love this fact, because it tells me that I can learn from his ability to manage a lot of things in his life while staying super fit.
Spencer, thanks so much for taking the time to hang with us today.
So, you’ve been on American Ninja Warrior multiple times. I’ve sat there as I watched the show and been like, “Meh, I can do that. Not a problem. No big deal,” but obviously I can’t. I’ve never submitted a video, I’ve never tried out. What actually motivated you to try out for the show?
A lot of my motivation came from watching the Japan version of the show, called Sasuke. Watching that going, “Wow, I could probably do that. That looks pretty exciting.” Back then, it just happened to be the beginning stages, the early years for American Ninja Warrior. They started it and I caught onto that. That’s when I realized that you just have to make a video and submit it.
The tryouts back then were at Venice Beach, so I said, “That’s close, that’s local. I think I could get away with that with my family schedule.” I just kind of threw my hat in the ring and went for it. Amazingly I got on the show season 2 — that was my first season.
That’s amazing, it started in Japan?
Sasuke is the original Ninja Warrior and it’s been in Japan for probably for about 15 years. So, they originated it and as they kept showing the reruns on this TV station called G4 back in the day, I guess the G4 people said, “Hey, let’s make our own American Ninja Warrior version of this.”
So obviously you were motivated by watching it, but there is a difference between me being motivated and thinking, “Yeah, that looks cool,” and you actually doing it. Did you grow up as an athlete? Did you already have training where you thought, “I can climb. I’ve got the hand strength. I can make this happen.”?
Definitely, I was watching the show and I was thinking this is in my wheelhouse. This is stuff I like to do. I’ve always been an athlete. I’ve always looked for the more extreme sports or different stuff then your normal mainstream baseball and football. I grew up playing soccer. I got into mountain biking pretty heavily after high school and into college. I always loved climbing so when I saw that I thought it looked like a playground. It looked fantastic. I told myself I could do this sort of thing.
I actually read somewhere that you were a rodeo clown at one point?
Yes, that’s correct. I see things sometimes and I say, “I could do that,” and then I do it or I at least attempt it. So, when I was in college, I was in AG science — or an animal science major. A lot of my friends were cowboys, so I went to a lot of rodeos in college up at Cal Poly, San Luis Obispo. One day I was sitting there and I was watching the bull riders and the clowns and I just thought that it looked like fun and that maybe I would try it one day. After I got out of college — you’ve got to love the internet — I found an actual training camp for rodeo clowns and bull riders and bronc riders. I signed up and I drove up to Northern California and I did a three day fully immersive training. It was one of those things where I told myself I could do it, but I didn’t know if I actually could. Next thing you know I was out there running around with this bull chasing me. It was a blast.
Wow, so you submit a video — first of all, tell me about the video, what was that first video like?
Looking back, because that first video was in 2010 — it was a while ago, I wasn’t quite sure who I was going to get to video it. A friend of mine was a high school counsellor and she said, “Oh, I’ve got these high school kids that love to do videos. They love the show and they might be able to help you.” I called these guys up, I think they were Juniors in high school and they just showed up at my work with a bunch of video equipment. It was kind of just like a workout montage, no talking. It was just action, action, action. We formulated a few stunts and just started filming. It was pretty fun.
You submit your video and how long between the submission and the first call or email? What was that timeline like?
It’s about a month, I think. You kind of sit there and wait for a whole month. There is no guarantee that you are going to get on the show and that’s kind of the killer part. You don’t actually know if you don’t get on the show, you only get the call if you get on the show. You are just waiting in limbo and every time the phone rings you are grabbing it. I submitted my video in January and by February they were letting people know they need to get ready to be on the show.
So, you get the call. What is going through your head?
I was jumping off the walls. I actually still have the original email that they sent out with the call. I was super excited. I didn’t know what to expect. Back then nobody had anything to practice on. I was just like, “Okay, here we go.” It was really grassroots back then, nobody knew about it. It wasn’t mainstream like it is now.
You get this call and the email and then did you start to train from that point until the filming? Or did you already feel like you were in good enough shape?
I had actually already started working out more to get ready for the show in hopes that I’d get selected. Once I got the call I really dialed in the extra cardio. I knew it was going to be a real burst of energy kind of thing, so I was trying to think of different obstacles that might be there. I was watching the year before and I upped my training and did a few things that I thought would help, but I didn’t know exactly what the course was going to be like.
So, we as the viewers see the edited version of the final show. Take us through it — you show up, is it one day? Is it multiple days? What was that filming experience like? Take us behind the scenes.
It’s interesting because back then it was small, so you just show up and there is a bunch of guys cruising around. They’ve got the course set up right there at Venice Beach, just right there between the Muscle Beach area and the skate park. It was pretty impressive just to see the size of the structure and the obstacles. So, they filmed all day Friday. You show up and you wait around. There was a lot of waiting around.
The thing that a lot of people ask is, “Do you get to practice? Do you get the try it?” You don’t get to touch anything. What you see is what you get. They walk you through the course, they show you what’s allowed and what’s off limits and then they kind of say, “Okay, we’ll call your name and when it’s time to go you’ve got to be ready and go.” It’s a lot of hurry up and wait. It’s fun though because you get to watch the other competitors that are in front of you and you get to see how they are handling the situation.
When we watch on TV, we hear the music and the announcers and see all the lights. Are you filming this in day time or night time?
Originally when the show first started, it was all filmed during the day. It was more or less a three-day process. They would take the first two days to film the qualifying runs and then the second day after the big group of people is down to the Top 30, they would shoot the semi-finals. Now when you watch it on NBC, everything is shot at night and it’s all shot in two days. They shoot the qualifiers the first night and then the semi-finals the second night. The hard part now with it being at night is you could technically run the course at 4 o’clock in the morning. It’s a whole different game to be able to compete in the middle of the night.
Wow, so they call your name and you are not hearing announcers, right? “Spencer Hurtt is stepping up to the plate—,” you are not hearing that?
Right and that’s what was funny because I think they are talking during your run but it’s just their audio. It’s not really announced to the crowd like when you watch it on TV. It’s a little more audible now but when you are running the course, that’s the last thing that you hear. You are so focused. I think they kind of go back and add some commentary depending on who the competitor is.
Was your family there with you the first time?
The very first time my family was there and a good friend and his family was there too. The young high school guy that filmed my video was there also and he actually filmed it on his little camcorder. It was a lot of fun and I just kind of went for it. I got all the way to the warped wall that first time. I was so excited that I was able to get all the way through the course without any real Ninja Warrior obstacle training, but unfortunately, I got to that warped wall and I couldn’t quite figure out how to get up it. That’s the only obstacle that you get multiple tries. You get three attempts to get up the wall and if you don’t get it on your third one you are done. So that’s what happened.
You are going through the course and you are totally focused. You haven’t trained on any of these obstacles ever before? You’ve just been training on concrete stuff that you would find in everyday life. It’s not like you had built anything and then you get to the end, what’s going through your head as you fall after that third time?
I was a little disappointed, but I think I was so pumped up on the adrenaline that I was like, “Hey, this is great. At least I got this far.” I was focusing on the positive, rather than some guys who might just be like, “Oh, that’s it. I couldn’t do it.” I was just excited that I got the chance to do it. I will say that after a couple days that’s when it started to set in and I would find myself just drifting off and asking myself, “What did I do wrong? How do I fix this? How do I do it better?”
What did you do next? Because I know you’ve been on the show multiple times — you’ve been on the show 4 times now, right?
Yeah, that’s correct.
So, what did you do now? I would have probably had a major chip on my shoulder, “I’m going to conquer this thing!”
I kind of did. The whole week after, I just kept thinking and thinking about it; “I’ve got to do something about this.” There was a guy, he’s still a competitor to this day — David Campbell, they call him The Ninja Godfather because he’s been doing it the longest. He is kind of the first guy that we all started following on YouTube and social media. He actually built his own training facility up in Northern California. So, I knew of him and I knew he’d built a warped wall. I said, “Well, I can do this. I’ve got to build one.”
I looked at my wife and I said, “Honey, I’ve kind of got to do this.” She knows my personality and she said, “Okay, okay.” I called up a friend who is a contractor and I asked him if he could build me in essence a 14-foot quarter pipe and he said, “Yeah, I don’t see why not.” A week later, he comes down to work with a couple of his guys and a truck full of lumber and we just measured it and tried to make it to spec as close as we could from what we could find on the internet.
So, you just knew the height of it and approximate width?
Yeah, exactly. We knew the height and we knew that there is this little overhanging lip at the top. We made a 14-foot radius in a sense and just added a little extra angle to it.
You began to add on more training obstacles, is that correct? In the warehouse of your business?
Yes, I will say I was very fortunate to have a place to actually build my training facility. When I tell people about it, they look at me and they go, “Is this in your backyard? Where is all this?” I tell them it’s at my work and that I’ve got a big factory with an empty spot in a warehouse.
So, I built the warped wall that very first year and just practiced on it constantly. It’s kind of one of those things where it’s a lot more technique and once you learn the steps you can scale it almost every time. The tricky part is to be able to scale it when you are exhausted, so you have to simulate running the course and then attempting the warped wall.
At 4 AM.
That’s the other kicker — at 4 AM. So, I built the warped wall and then slowly as I kept getting a chance to go back onto the show, I’d build a little more and I’d build a little more. Now I probably have about 1200 square feet of obstacle area.
You were on Seasons 4, 5 and 6, so you probably know some of the people that are working on the show. How does that work? Why would you get picked one year and maybe not the next? Is it based on all the people that apply and they are wanting to mix up the personalities? Or mix up the look and feel?
That’s a lot of it. Back when I started on Season 2 it was only about 5,000 guys and everybody actually came out to California. There weren’t the multiple cities like have now. It was funny because I was on Season 2 but I didn’t get called back for Season 3. I didn’t make a very good video that year. I was kind of rushed, so that probably played a part in it when they were looking for new faces.
One Season 4, I came back and I upped my video game and I put more life into it. I was able to come back for Season 4 and then Season 5 and Season 6. Ever since Season 6, I haven’t been able to get back on the show even though I continue to train and submit videos. I think that’s really because the show has gotten so big and like you said, they want new faces. They want a new story. I think they probably felt they’ve played me up enough and there is really anything new that I can offer them.
They are probably looking for you to lose a limb or something.
That’s actually the running joke. We all joke about it, you hit the nail on the head. The only way to get on the show these days is to lose a limb, have an ailment, recover from something or have a spouse with an issue.
That’s so bad.
To be fair, I had never actually hit the buzzer in qualifiers to make it to the semi-finals or the finals. I’ve come very close and I think in those years that I got close, if I had actually hit the buzzer and created more of a name, I might still be having a better chance of getting back on the show. I think they got the point where they are saying, “How many times are we going to let this guy try? He’s not hitting the buzzer. We like him, but he’s got to perform and he’s not performing.”
You are obviously younger than me, but you are pretty old for the show.
I’m very old for the show, especially now that they’ve lowered the age limit to 19. It’s always been 21 and up and now its 19 years. I probably started a little late. I was in my early 30’s and now I’m in any early 40’s, we joke about that. I figure, I’m an old guy. They’ve got to throw me a bone because I’m an old guy.
I think maybe ten years from now they’ll circle back.
Exactly, yeah. I’m playing the long game at this point.
What is your training regimen when you are prepping and training for the show? Is it different then your day to day training regimen? How do you train? How do you work out? What do you eat? Take us through that process.
I know some guys will take time off and then they’ll try to ramp it up the 6 months before the show. I prefer to stay training continually, so in essence I’m training all year long. Now it gets a little hard because you get a little burned out at times, especially when you don’t get called to be on the show. Sometimes you think that you just did a years’ worth of training for nothing. I thought that more in the early days when it was all about getting on the show.
Once I got past that, I started doing it more as a lifestyle and for my health. Because of the difficulty of the obstacles the training has to be consistent. If you try to take a month or two off, you’re going to be way behind the ball. That’s why I prefer to train continually, just so that I don’t lose my edge. Also, I do train a little more high-risk which tends to keep my brain sharp. So, if I didn’t train, I could eventually make a mistake that would injure me if I fell off of something. That’s another reason why I continually train year-round. I’m not doing 6 hours a day in the gym. I’m doing just small workouts, but consistent small workouts.
When you say you train at a high-risk level, what does that mean?
The first thing that you’d notice if you came to my gym is that there is a lack of mats and a lack of safety, if you will. Basically, I’ve built it on a cement floor. I’m too cheap to put down nice padding or rubber cushion like you might see at the gym. I do have a couple pads for certain instances, but I choose to do this training in a sense. I found this one guy, he actually put a name to it and he called it ‘State of Emergency’ training. Basically, by putting yourself in a precarious and semi-harmful situation, whether it be lifting without a spotter or doing a climb without any thing to catch you underneath, your body knows it has to perform. Otherwise you are going to fall or get injured. I do a lot of my higher training off the ground with no pads just because it keeps me sharp. I’ll only do that training if I’m feeling 100%. It keeps me in check so I don’t burnout.
Are you telling your kids, “Climb that crazy rock, go for it!” How are you as a dad? How many broken bones have your kids had?
Surprisingly not that many. I’ve got three kids. Lily is 13 and she likes basketball, but she just kind of shakes her head like, “Oh, Dad’s doing his thing again.” My son though, he’s 10 and he follows in my footsteps. He gets pretty into it. With him I do get a little more nervous, but he’s a little more reserved than me, so I don’t find him trying to do the crazy stuff that I do. Which I guess is good, but sometimes I am trying to push him to do more. My youngest, Laney, she’s 7 and she’ll play around with me when she wants.
It’s my friends’ kids that I get in trouble for because they are always like, “Hey, we saw Mr. Spencer do it, so I’m going to try it too.” Their parents are like, “Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on.” It’s funny too because my wife is pretty used to my antics — if you want to call it that, I call it controlled chaos or thought-out risk — she just kind of plays along with it when she sees me doing my dangerous stuff.
Is she an athlete as well? Does she enjoy this type of sport?
Yes, she’s an athlete as well. She doesn’t quite enjoy the climbing and stuff that I do, but she definitely works out constantly. She’s more of a spin class, work out class, yoga — she used to be a competitive swimmer and a very competitive basketball player. The great thing is, my working out compliments her working out. We work out together a lot when we can. I love that aspect of it.
How would you describe the difference between the type of obstacles that you are training on for American Ninja Warrior and say parkour? I’m seeing these guys who are using natural environment and I’ve watched some videos of you where you are using natural environment as well. Would you say you are into parkour? How would you describe that?
Yeah, definitely and it’s funny because I actually picked up parkour once I started doing Ninja Warrior. It got to the point where there was nothing to train on. I was watching a lot of the European guys do their parkour in the cities and I was thinking that really is the best way to train. You don’t know what obstacle you are going to get and you have to adapt to the situation quickly. So yeah, I just started learning to jump off of buildings and how to land properly.
I did get kind of beat up back in the day because I didn’t have the right techniques. I had shin splints and a lot of quad and wrist issues. There is actually a lot of technique to that, so I started watching a lot more parkour videos and learning that way. I really love it because I can take the kids to the park and I can still get my workout in. I’d just start running and jumping and swinging off of the park structures. I would get a lot of funny looks from the parents that were sitting on the bench watching their kids play, while I was out there playing with their kids.
You just happen to have your shirt off and all the moms were watching.
You know, my shirt never quite seems to stay on. I can’t help it.
Do you train other people that are looking to get on the show? Or do you just train yourself?
In the last couple of years, I have started training a few guys. I had a really great workout partner years ago and unfortunately, he never got on the show and things have kind of changed for him. He’s gotten busy since he’s gotten married and has a child now, but he’s a trainer at Orangetheory Fitness, so he’s a very, very strong athlete. But once again you never know who they are going to pick. He didn’t get on the show and this was probably four or five years ago, so he took a break. But since I haven’t been able to get back on the show, I figured I like training with people and it gets a little lonely training by yourself constantly so I thought maybe I could get my name out there by training people.
I met this guy last year in the summer of 2017, Greg and this guy is the whole deal. He’s in his mid-30’s, he’s a rock climber and he’s a trainer. I brought him onboard and he did great and he got on the show last year. That was a lot of fun. I got to go to the taping of the show. I got to be on the sidelines cheering him on and I got to see a bunch of old buddies I hadn’t seen in a while. Unfortunately, he fell on the fourth obstacle. Just miscalculation and slipped up — it happens and that was it.
I felt good that I trained him and he got on the show, so this year back in mid-2018 a friend of mine who is a high school teacher, I said, “Hey, you’ve got a great back story. You’re a teacher and you are outgoing.” He’s like, “Yeah, I’ve always loved the show, let’s try it!” So now I’ve been training him. He actually submitted a video and right now we are waiting to see if he gets the call
Obviously, the physical capability is huge, but I can’t even imagine the mental aspect of the training. And then once you are on the show of course, help us understand the level of mental focus that is required for this.
It’s one thing to train — and I always describe the competition, it’s kind of like being in the Olympics and being a gymnast. You get one chance to do your best routine but the minute you make a mistake, you are done. The trick is to train like you would compete. You can go train these obstacles every day and do one at a time or do them easily but you’ll get this false sense of a security.
When you get to the show the adrenaline is pumping and the crowd is there, there’s that little voice inside of your head that says, “Don’t mess up, you’ve only got one shot.” It’s a lot harder to manage your emotions and your adrenaline. Sometimes you’ll see guys and they’ll make a silly mistake and you are asking, “Why did they fall on that?” Well, you really don’t know until you are in that situation. You get a lot of pump and your muscles are going 110%, so when you are running the course the key is to slow yourself down and try to manage your output. It’s really easy to do those first two or three obstacles and just blow your wad and then you get to the end of the course you are just gassed. It feels like you just went five rounds in a wrestling match.
So that’s the tricky part for me at least. That’s where I’ve struggled. I get to competition and I get really excited and I’ll make a minor mistake or I’ll overthink something. The guys that are really good are the ones that are just calm. I think if you can calm everything down and just go through the motions, it’s just muscle memory. Again, that’s why the constant training. The better you can do an obstacle without thinking about it, the better off you are.
How many of these skills — whether it be more mental than physical, have impacted your business and the running of your business? Has there been any connection there for you?
Yeah, I like that. I think with my training because it motivates me. If you have a bad day, you go to the gym. So, the nice thing is if I’m having a bad day, I just kind of head out back to the warehouse and I can get a quick and efficient workout in and blow off some steam.
If I was an employee, I’d be like, “Uh oh, boss is pissed. He’s going out back.”
Yeah, get out of the way — yeah. It’s the long game, really. Working for a family business isn’t always easy. Right now, with the way the economy is in our industry, we are kind of down a little bit. So, for me with the Ninja Warrior, I kind of keep my head up and no matter what happens I just keep pushing forward. We might have a bad year, but I know next year I’m going to push a little harder and we’ll make up the difference. It’s kind of the same thing with Ninja Warrior, every year I think I’m at my peak fitness and then I’ll come around the next year and I find out I’m actually a little stronger. So really, there is always ways to get better and that’s what I try to let people know. A lot of people are just going along but you’ve got to change it up. You can’t be stale. You’ve got to keep your body and your muscles guessing. That’s really a great thing to do so you don’t plateau, whether it be in work or fitness.
I’m hearing some really interesting life learnings that I want to tease out here for a moment. One, I’m hearing that you are in this for the long haul and that this wasn’t a one and done. You weren’t satisfied with getting on the show and that’s it. You’ve continued to keep trying out, but it’s almost like you’ve mitigated the failure by saying, “It’s not just about the show. It’s not about just the final performance, it’s about the process.”
You are continuing to work out in order to enjoy the lifestyle and in order to enjoy it with your wife and in order to enjoy it with your kids. So, there is a lifestyle component there and there is a longevity. That’s true whether you are trying to get on a show or you are trying to grow your business or pursuing health. It’s not just about squeezing into that dress for your 20 year high school reunion.
Right, that’s a great analogy. Exactly.
That might be the initial motivation, but can you stay in the dress? Who cares about the dress? It’s really about the health and fitness and how you feel. I’m very impressed by your long game approach.
I also loved what you said when you talked about keeping your head up. There is failure. When you go through the course, they are not allowing you to try it out. They are not allowing you to test it. So many things in our lives, we may not have gone through that before and you don’t get to a chance to try it out. You are going to experience it for the first time.
You slipped and fell and you couldn’t get up the wall. You could not get up the wall that first time, so what did you do? You came back and you built a wall. That is just awesome. So, I’m sitting here thinking, how many times have I slipped and fell? Something hasn’t gone the way that I wanted, how can I build something that would test me? Or somehow, it’s preparing me to get up that wall of life? Very powerful lessons there.
You’ve got all this energy. You are training, it sounds like you are not training a ton every day but are you an energetic guy? Do you bring that into the workplace, to your family? You are competitive, you are positive; are people going, “Whoa, whoa, whoa Spencer, chill out.” How does that play out for you?
You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. I have a lot of energy. A lot of my friends know, they are all used to it. I don’t sit still very well. I like to be moving. When I come into a room, there is a lot of energy. Which is great for most people, some people are a little thrown off and telling me to slow down. But yeah, I’m always going. I don’t usually move slowly. Even if I’m out with the family and we are taking a walk, I’m looking for something to climb or something to jump off of just for fun. I like to see what’s out there.
A great example, me and my wife went to New York — not last year but the year before, we went for our anniversary. New York is full of scaffolding, so pretty much everywhere we went I was jumping and climbing the scaffolding. We have all these pictures of me just hanging off of stuff. It was just too much fun. I know it gets tiresome for my wife at times, she’s like, “Here we go again.” But yeah, I’d say I’m kind of like this all the time. Even at work, I know my employees enjoy it. My dad is very businesslike and I’m a little more — I like to get out back and ask what they are working on and find out what’s next. I like to motivate people, whether I’m trying to or not.
If somebody is listening and they are saying, “Okay, I’m a mom of four kids and I’m not looking to get on the show. But I think you are hot Spencer and I love watching the videos.” But what if they want to take their physicality to the next level? Obviously there is tons of videos and tons of programs and tons of diets and all that stuff, what would be your encouragement to them?
I like to say, play to your strengths. A lot of the workouts and the diets, they are cookie cutter and everybody thinks that it’s the next big one. But what works for this person, might not work for that person. I’d say try different exercises, different diets and don’t go for the one that says you are going to have all these great results and all of a sudden you don’t. It could be that it just doesn’t work with your body.
It’s hard and I get it. With a lot of people trying to start fresh or they haven’t worked out in ten years and think they’ve got to get moving again. They do say if you can do something for 2 weeks it becomes a routine. I’d say that’s close to true. You’ve really got to stick with it. Don’t get discouraged and don’t set your goals too high. I know a lot of people will come into my gym and they’ll be like, “Oh, I’ve got this,” and “I’m going to do it just like Spencer,” and then they start to struggle and they get frustrated. You can’t compare yourself to this other guy or me who have been doing it for years. Even I’m humbled because there are guys who are way better than I am. I could be thinking I’m doing really good and some younger, faster guy just walks in and blows me away. Take that as a challenge to get to that level, but don’t compare yourselves right out of the gate when you are just trying to get back into fitness.
If somebody wants to follow your journey, would you encourage you to follow them on social media? What platform would be easiest for them to follow along with you?
Probably social media, yeah. I don’t post a ton but I’m on Facebook and I’ll put up some fun videos every now and then. I try not to inundate my friends with shirtless workouts — I get a lot of funny comments, “Hey, put a shirt on.” I can’t help it, I’m working out. But I do try to every now and then post a video with words of encouragement or some kind of new different workout or style that I’m trying out. I’d say either follow me on Facebook or Instagram.
Thank you for taking time to hang with us Spencer. We are going to be looking for you and cheering you on.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I’ll get back on that show eventually.
Thank you so much.
You are very welcome.
People will love this. Man, I’m super impressed with your tenacity and long-term view.
Thanks, I just found something that worked for me. Play to your strengths. I’m just not a big framed kind of guy, but I have good body control, so my muscle mass to bodyweight ratio is built for Ninja Warrior style stuff or gymnastics. I just got lucky and it worked and my body has adapted to what it needs.
Circling back, you had asked about my diet. I don’t have a specific diet per say, but I do watch what I eat. I don’t eat a bunch of carbs. I think that’s the biggest thing for me. I was blessed with a fast metabolism but I know it slows down as you get older. One way to keep it going is to break it down into smaller amounts. I eat six smaller meals a day, which you’ve probably heard about but everybody thinks I’m just constantly eating. I’m just eating small amounts and I’m just keeping the tank full, that’s what works for me. My wife hates it because I’ll go out and I’ll eat a big old hamburger and French fries and she goes, “I can’t eat that, that’s not fair.” I’ll just workout harder the next day.